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you recollect things in your mind and

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you recollect other things only as a

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result of hypnosis can we start with the

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first bit while you're actually doing

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that nice what did you see well I was

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driving the panda car uh along Burnley

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Road when he told me didn't and I came

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across this strange craft blocking the

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road describe it to me

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well it was about 20 feet high

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about 14 feet wide it was a diamond

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shaped object hovering about five feet

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off the ground at this point you didn't

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see anybody did you I know I didn't see

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anything other than that did you

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approach it I got within about 20 feet

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of it and then he went back to your car

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to report it did you no I didn't get out

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of the car uh I didn't want to get out

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of the Gap you didn't no

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but you got on the blower did you I got

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on the radio both radios the VHF in the

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car and the UHF personally that we carry

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yeah and I got no response at all they

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didn't work no was that unusual

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not in that particular area there are

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black spots in the area

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the top of the radios I've worked there

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since and then you left the scene did

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you the next thing I remember was I was

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at the other side

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of where the object had been driving the

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car away away did you report it when you

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got back I certainly did I thought you

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were crackers presumably yeah they did

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well then as a result of hypnosis a lot

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of that story has been filled in hasn't

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it that what is what you recollect from

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the results of the hypnosis

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well as I say I'm no conscious memory of

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what I said under it notes it's the only

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thing I could I can go off is uh the

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hypnotic regressions were videotaped

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yeah and I I think there was about three

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or four tapes done

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and when I actually was allowed to see

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them at the end of the session and it

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was quite frightening what you'd said

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under hypnosis so what what tell me the

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other story now the one that they drew

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out under hypnosis well under hypnosis

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uh when I see the craft itself

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as I said before I didn't get out of the

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car conscious

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I find myself getting out of the car and

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uh for some reason I have no idea why uh

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a strange very powerful beam of light

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is shown towards me which blinds me I

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jump back in the car and panic and then

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there is some sort of a blackout

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After the Blackout I wake up in some

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sort of an examination room I see so I

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this spaceship or whatever it is did you

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see that in your recollected yes

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everything

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accurate right up to the bit that when I

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was out of the car yes okay describe

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this creature to me this man

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ly was a humanoid or of human appearance

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is about six feet high but not quite a

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human being

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well he had a human appearance and he

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had a beard and he wore some sort of a

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skull cap and he wore like a white gown

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he was very pleasant in appearance he

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wasn't at all Franny to look at okay now

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you've got yourself into this room what

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goes on there who else is there there

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were

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I think I said there was eight

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uh small three foot high

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creatures that trans violated during the

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hypnotic regression as robots

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um were you in a normal room or were you

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in a spaceship rather like uh Doctor

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Who's Time Capsule were you in something

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as good it looked bigger than his

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capsule yeah you know he doesn't look

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very big does it really but inside it

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yes really I would say it's very similar

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and then they what they try to undress

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you didn't they at one point take your

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shoes and socks off why why

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this is one of the funny things about it

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when I got back to the station I found

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that my left boot was split and I had a

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bur mark on the InStep of me left foot

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and only I'm not at regression

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they actually examined me left foot now

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that's remarkable to me with the other

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evidence of the other police officers

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how did your experience end in this

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place you were with with these people uh

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the doctor woke me up

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we never actually got to an ending I was

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wired up to some heart machines and it

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completely went off the scale I was in

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such stress that the both doctors

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stopped the hypnotic regressions let's

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have it what do you make of it all

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do you believe now in UFOs or or what

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are you convinced that those things

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actually happen to you or it's just in

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your mind somewhere as an imagination or

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a dream or something like that well the

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youthful certainly exists you're sure

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yes it was a nuts and bolts graft I'm I

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think I'm quite capable of seeing

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something from 20 feet

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anything you say will take down to use

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in evidence you would say that you saw

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that thing yes I would swear on I would

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swear on the only Bible what I saw that

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day I've seen nothing of the like except

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in science fiction films and what other

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thoughts have you had about the whole

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experience uh the abduction part well

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I've thought about it I thought well it

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plus it's something that I've read about

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and seen as Doctor Who and because of my

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experience it somehow got jumbled up or

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it actually happened yeah

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it's a good story isn't it I think it's

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wonderful

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I mean that's a whole whole series of

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Doctor Who I mean what do you make of it

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College I mean you work in the fiction

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of this I mean he is saying this isn't

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fiction you're saying I actually saw

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that thing I mean sitting here listening

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to the story I cannot do anything but

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totally believe it yeah and viewed by

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any objective standard I think that it's

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perhaps naive of us to think that we are

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the only things that exist in this huge

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Universe

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I think it's rather pompous to think

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that we're the only people around

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and that there isn't possible possibly

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life somewhere else without you know we

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don't have the facts of everything so I

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think it's rather pompous to think we're

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the only people Alan you are taken very

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seriously I mean aren't you by people

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who who study these things what do they

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say about your experience are they also

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convinced that you actually went through

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this experience and those things and

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those people were actually there I think

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they are yes I think the UFO

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investigators came to interview me uh

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one of them being a high-ranking police

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officer from the greater Manchester

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police force

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um he really gave me a grilling yeah as

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it obviously is very experienced

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and I think well they are gone bins here

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I mean we did I saw a UFO no mistake

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they do exist there is nothing on this

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Earth will ever tell me any different

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well I mean if you said that I just

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cannot as Nicholas says possibly believe

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otherwise thank you very much for

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telling the story absolutely fascinating

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and uh if anything else happens to let

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so there we are I'm sitting here in a

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cold swing

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interestingly wasn't there a couple in

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America called The Hills we went through

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hypnosis and the way it's described it I

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read an article it's exactly the way

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they described it you know up to the

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point where they went in the craft they

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could remember everything then bang on

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the hypnosis they describe the same sort

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of things we should do there are many

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many cases of uh abductions in this

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country that I've I know about now oh

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dear and there's quite several under

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hypnotic regression now there was three

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girls in Shropshire uh they had a

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similar experience and under hypnosis

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they come up with a very very similar

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inside the mccraft and very similar

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beans in it it is a very very convincing

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story we'll move on quick nobody's gonna

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fought me full time

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the bottom spinning

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some wind isn't it some dark winds

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there's a light coming from underneath

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to be careful

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there's a lot

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they're horrible can you briefly

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it's small yes household is small

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I've been sent to investigate this herd

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of cows so I was driving up the road

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and I was going to turn right up Fernley

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Road there to the council estate when I

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could see in front of me up here this

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object it looked to be completely

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as I get near and nearer towards its

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object I could see that it wasn't quite

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what I was expecting to meet at five

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o'clock was their Runner

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diamond shaped

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spinning

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it was hovering about five foot off the

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it was about 20 feet wide 14 feet high

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alpha bravo three to Alpha Bravo control

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I'll try that several times but it just

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didn't work I just couldn't contact

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anybody

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I was at the other side of the object

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and he's a gun

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to the final of 1500 yards so we're all

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what's up you're not going to believe

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what I've Just Seen oh get in

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and we examine the the road like a

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Whirlpool dry something really hot has

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been over and above

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uh we could see the all these loose

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leaves and Broughton branches there so

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he was coming

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something I've been there

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we thought it might have gone in this

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object wherever it had gone that Mala

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got into the adjoining power

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we climbed into the park because the

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gates were locked and we had to climb

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across the river

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uh when we got in there we could see

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this uh the cows right in the middle of

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the rugby pitch I've been raining all

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night but there's no hoof prints

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belonging to them have they got them

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they just look this up somebody dropped

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him there you know

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it sounds incredible but Alan Godfrey

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isn't the only one who saw something in

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the same area on the same night another

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witness was school caretaker Leonard

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Smith

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when I came around the corner to check

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the grounds I looked up in the sky and

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was up in the sky

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approximately all where I later learned

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the area where Alan God's read his

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experience

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I didn't know at the time

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now the object

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shot across the valley four times

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backwards and forwards and it vanished

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over the hills

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then there's John Porter one of five

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other police witnesses that night an

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hour before Alan Godfrey's encounter he

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was out searching more land quarries for

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stolen motorbikes

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we're walking down the Moa from the main

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road

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something told me to turn around I

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turned I mean the sky was a very cold

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steel blow line

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it moved in a sweeping Arc across the

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sky about 12 miles an hour estimate in

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one second

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eventually I went up the road

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and observed this same cold steel blue

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light sweeping away in the lower towards

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todding and that's the last I saw of it

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the despite the support Alan Godfrey

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became more and more troubled by the

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most puzzling part of his experience

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after it had all happened I realized

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that there's half an hour missing from

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me drawing the object to me turning up

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at the other side of where the object

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had been I was really curious you know

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what I wanted to know what had happened

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in that half hour Alan describes getting

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out of his car looking at the object

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then he sees a light emanating from

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underneath it so he gets back into his

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car finds his car won't go and then he's

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engulfed in a bright white light

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yeah

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appears to lose consciousness

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uh he says everything is black he then

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wakes up in a room where he sees a tall

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man he's also surrounded by six small

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it's not horrible who's horrible there

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who's there

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I want to talk about it he's made the

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subject of some sort of pseudo-medical

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examination due course he's put back in

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his card

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but Alan Godfrey himself admits he

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doesn't know what to make of the

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hypnosis after the main initial Society

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I did read quite a few science fiction

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books and it is quite possible that that

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part of the hypnotic regressions uh is

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has got jumbled up him in mine but I

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must stress that I did see a UFO that

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night make no mistake about that I

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definitely saw what I saw and nobody on

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this Earth ever tell me any different I

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saw what I saw

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that object was real and when I got out